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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:17 pm 
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Fox site headlines right now

1. Mueller gets his man

2. Far removed from campaign

3. We all knew (Kevin Spacey)

Breitbart, on the other hand...

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:06 am 
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In the same vein, Fox News invited Scott Adams, of Dilbert comics, to talk about "real Russia scandal." This is not a joke.

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The Dogbert method of eliminating guilt is quite simple. All of your problems are caused by invisible people named Juan and Cindy. All you have to do is find them and kill them.

Also, multiple sources are now saying that Papadopoulos was wearing a wire since the summer.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Tip. Iceberg.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Mueller knows his target. The calculated wait between announcement of the indictments and the real meat of the day, revealing Papadopoulos's arrest and cooperation. Hitting Trump from one side, letting him be talked down because the charges aren't as serious as they could have been—and then bam from the other side, and this time no one knows what Papadopoulos may have been telling Mueller. I imagine some people are struggling to determine exactly when and on what occasion they've been in a room with the guy.

I read that both Trump sons have gone to India to work on a Trump real estate transaction. So I guess they didn't really flee the country?

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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A brief history of Manafort from ProPublica. Featuring, propping up corrupt autocrats, money laundering, and power peddling.

https://twitter.com/ProPublica/status/9 ... 3795244032

Ukraine is trying not to gloat too loudly for fear of upsetting the administration. Manafort is still a "witness" in a corruption case there.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Those who support the Democrats are noticing the Russia-Trump connection, those who support the Republicans are noticing the Russia-Hillary connection.

If both are found to have cheated, maybe the presidency should be given to the top vote-getter with no ties to Russia.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 6:23 pm 
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There's not enough Whisky for this Tango Foxtrot

I said it on b77, but that was about Rand Paul being tackled off a riding lawn mower by a disgruntled neighbor. This is a lot less light hearted

Via Yonatan Zunger, with a link to lawfare in the post. Warning for some language. https://plus.google.com/+YonatanZunger/ ... bocCdFgaaP

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This puts all the previous discussion about the Flynns being witnesses which Mueller intends to flip in a very different light. If he were facing nothing more serious than a charge of failure to file paperwork as a foreign agent, he would have reason not to be too worried, and this is why people were wondering much more about the legal status of his son, who is apparently in a great deal of hot water. But if Flynn is looking at life without parole (the statutory max for conspiracy to kidnap under both 18 USC 1201 and 18 Pa Cons Stat 2901), he is having a very different set of conversations than the ones we expected.

So to sum up: The FBI is currently investigating whether the former National Security Advisor, immediately before and/or during his term of office, was acting as an agent of a foreign government and plotting to kidnap people on their behalf, and/or to accept a large bribe to cause that kidnapping to happen through slightly less illegal means.

And no, this is not the plot of a spy thriller. This is what real life looks like in 2017.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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Trump declared a day of remembrance for the victims of communism on the 100th anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution. The media went bonkers because even though he didn't mention anyone else at all this was obviously an endorsement of fascism.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:22 pm 
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Where did the media go bonkers? I didn't follow much news over the weekend so I missed it.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:36 pm 
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Haven't seen any mention of it myself.

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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I read about his today in German left-wing media:

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/u ... 1510588111

(I put an English version here. So, there are some rich people getting it.)

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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I agree with the general gist of the viewpoints mentioned in that document, Nin. Of course there are people who do not agree with that sort of world view, but I find that for what I want out of life that is the best sort of approach.


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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:46 am 
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So House passed the GOP tax bill. My initial sense of it was that it could be described as the F***K California Bill, but on further reading, it's more of a F***K Everyone Who Can't Afford a Private Plane Bill (But Especially California).
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/13/o ... s-gop.html

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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It’s also a F**K grad students bill. This would finish off the PhD program in the US.


The House Just Voted to Bankrupt Graduate Students
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/opin ... dents.html

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 Post subject: Re: Trump's America
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I thought this was such an important article, I wanted to post a link. Matt Taibbi from Rolling Stone, on the death of an author whose book on the American media he says is even more relevant today than when it was written:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fe ... an-w511766

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