Republican Presidential Candidates
- Cenedril_Gildinaur
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Well, considering the current state of our national politics, a lack of experience is actually a good thing because the more experience a politician has the more experience he has at being wrong instead of right.
That makes Palin and Obama more qualified than anyone else in either primary.
That makes Palin and Obama more qualified than anyone else in either primary.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams
-- Samuel Adams
That she had some?
Hmm... being Governor of a state is one thing...
Well, yeah, that's pretty much all I feel like digging up right now, but feel free to explain why that's not enough... Make sure to mention how Alaska has no people and such, so it doesn't really count...
See, there's a key difference between being a congressman or senator... and actually being the guy (or gal) at the top. It's the same reason I'd rather have someone that was the CEO of a successful company as president than someone that had just been on a bunch of board of directors...
You have to be the one that steps up and makes the decisions. There can be no one to blame but yourself at that point, and you have to take the blame when it comes, just as you take the credit.
Hmm... being Governor of a state is one thing...
Well, yeah, that's pretty much all I feel like digging up right now, but feel free to explain why that's not enough... Make sure to mention how Alaska has no people and such, so it doesn't really count...
See, there's a key difference between being a congressman or senator... and actually being the guy (or gal) at the top. It's the same reason I'd rather have someone that was the CEO of a successful company as president than someone that had just been on a bunch of board of directors...
You have to be the one that steps up and makes the decisions. There can be no one to blame but yourself at that point, and you have to take the blame when it comes, just as you take the credit.
- TheEllipticalDisillusion
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If you don't have the energy to substantiate your own claims, then there is nothing for us to talk about, hal. If you make a claim, the burden is on you to support it. If you refuse, then your opinion will be ignored for lack of substantial insight.Well, yeah, that's pretty much all I feel like digging up right now, but feel free to explain why that's not enough... Make sure to mention how Alaska has no people and such, so it doesn't really count...
If you believe it's the right thing to do, best for yourself, your state, and your country... absolutely. That exactly the kind of decision making that is necessary in a leader. She knew she would take heat for it, and did it anyway because she believed it to be the right thing to do.
She hasn't sold me personally on that decision yet, but we'll see.
She hasn't sold me personally on that decision yet, but we'll see.
- sauronsfinger
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Leadership through quitting. A rather unique definition. Palin took a solemn oath to do her job that the people of Alaska elected her to do to the best of her abilities. She violated her oath of office and betrayed the people of Alaska.That exactly the kind of decision making that is necessary in a leader.
from Vison -
so its catching then?I lost my mind there for a minute.
I think my ONE piece of evidence is plenty. You are free to disagree and dismiss my perspective if you like (because I'm sure if I presented enough evidence you'd be convinced ), but you don't set the burden of proof around here.TheEllipticalDisillusion wrote:If you don't have the energy to substantiate your own claims, then there is nothing for us to talk about, hal. If you make a claim, the burden is on you to support it. If you refuse, then your opinion will be ignored for lack of substantial insight.Well, yeah, that's pretty much all I feel like digging up right now, but feel free to explain why that's not enough... Make sure to mention how Alaska has no people and such, so it doesn't really count...
- Cenedril_Gildinaur
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Is it the case that anyone who leaves office before the term expires is guilty of betraying the constituents?
Didn't Obama leave his Senate seat before his term expired?
Didn't Obama leave his Senate seat before his term expired?
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
-- Samuel Adams
-- Samuel Adams
Well, she certainly didn't violate her oath or betray the people of Alaska if she thought the state was better served by stepping down.sauronsfinger wrote:Leadership through quitting. A rather unique definition. Palin took a solemn oath to do her job that the people of Alaska elected her to do to the best of her abilities. She violated her oath of office and betrayed the people of Alaska.That exactly the kind of decision making that is necessary in a leader.
I didn't actually say that quitting was an act of leadership... I said that making hard decisions that you're going to be critisized for was an act of leadership. Please don't put words in my mouth.
- sauronsfinger
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The "hard decision" was violating her oath of office to serve the people of Alaska and quit in the midst of a term she was elected to and promised to serve.
Of course, she demonstrated during the campaign with the clothing that she could not turn down a buck when offered to her. So this was no surprise.
Of course, she demonstrated during the campaign with the clothing that she could not turn down a buck when offered to her. So this was no surprise.
you just can't stop trying to trash her... it's amazing really.
again with the clothes... really? You seem to be implying she kept all those clothes, that it was some exercise in vanity and greed...
The "hard decision" (why the quotes?) was to do what she thought best when she knew she would be personally attacked for doing it.
You can claim it's all those things you list, but that doesn't make it true...
again with the clothes... really? You seem to be implying she kept all those clothes, that it was some exercise in vanity and greed...
The "hard decision" (why the quotes?) was to do what she thought best when she knew she would be personally attacked for doing it.
You can claim it's all those things you list, but that doesn't make it true...
- sauronsfinger
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Can't stop trashing her?!?!?!
It was Sarah Palin and her own behavior which trashed Sarah Palin. I had nothing to do with it .
Why the quotes? Because I do not believe for one second that it was "a hard decision at all". Palin demonstrated that she liked feeding at somebodys elses trough. She enjoyed every minute of it.
But you see Hal, I am on your side and Palins side. I hope greatly that she raises enough money to run for President in 2012. I hope she does so as a Third party candidate and declares within the next 12 months so that she can do the hard work of getting on the ballot and properly organizing. If she did that, I would even donate a dollar or two towards that effort.
Failing that, I hope she runs for and gets the Republican nomination in 2012 at the very tiptop of the ticket. That would put a very broad smile upon my aging face. I would raise a glass and toast Ms. Palin the minute she achieves that level of success.
It was Sarah Palin and her own behavior which trashed Sarah Palin. I had nothing to do with it .
Why the quotes? Because I do not believe for one second that it was "a hard decision at all". Palin demonstrated that she liked feeding at somebodys elses trough. She enjoyed every minute of it.
But you see Hal, I am on your side and Palins side. I hope greatly that she raises enough money to run for President in 2012. I hope she does so as a Third party candidate and declares within the next 12 months so that she can do the hard work of getting on the ballot and properly organizing. If she did that, I would even donate a dollar or two towards that effort.
Failing that, I hope she runs for and gets the Republican nomination in 2012 at the very tiptop of the ticket. That would put a very broad smile upon my aging face. I would raise a glass and toast Ms. Palin the minute she achieves that level of success.
when you mischaracterize her actions in a negative way, that's called "trashing her."sauronsfinger wrote:Can't stop trashing her?!?!?!
It was Sarah Palin and her own behavior which trashed Sarah Palin. I had nothing to do with it .
Did she? Did she enjoy when David Letterman talked about her daughter getting knocked up? Did she enjoy being mocked by every liberal news outlet out there? I don't think she did personally.Why the quotes? Because I do not believe for one second that it was "a hard decision at all". Palin demonstrated that she liked feeding at somebodys elses trough. She enjoyed every minute of it.
Oh, you mean she enjoyed spending campaign money on fancy clothes and wants to do that again...
No, that's not trashing her at all...
- sauronsfinger
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Palin did what Palin did and she must live with that. The clothing is but one glaring example of her feeding at the trough when someone else is picking up the tab for her gluttony.
I do not condone or excuse Letterman and his remarks. He should not have said it and he himself says so.
Palin trashed herself. She has herself and her own behavior to blame. I had nothing to do with it. If she did not first do it, nobody including myself could say word one about it.
Halplm asks me
I do not condone or excuse Letterman and his remarks. He should not have said it and he himself says so.
Palin trashed herself. She has herself and her own behavior to blame. I had nothing to do with it. If she did not first do it, nobody including myself could say word one about it.
Halplm asks me
I am eager to roll those dice.... extremely eager ... very eager .... am salivating at the possiblility eager. Bring it on.
How will you feel when she's elected the next President of the United States?
And she still hasn't given the clothes back.
Oh, she's an amazing woman. I am with sf on this one. I am crossing my fingers in hope that someone is stupid enough to put this woman up for POTUS and that she is . . . . going to accept the nomination.
Sadly, fairy tales don't come true very often. Wouldn't it be nice if they did? I like fairy tales and fabulous stories and strange tales of all kinds.
Oh, she's an amazing woman. I am with sf on this one. I am crossing my fingers in hope that someone is stupid enough to put this woman up for POTUS and that she is . . . . going to accept the nomination.
Sadly, fairy tales don't come true very often. Wouldn't it be nice if they did? I like fairy tales and fabulous stories and strange tales of all kinds.
Dig deeper.
- TheEllipticalDisillusion
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Try me. Your quick dismissal of even attempting a real proof of your point is not proof that I will dismiss your evidence and conclusion. This is the same as you saying that you won't even try out for a part in the community theatrical production of Faust because you won't get it anyway. Self-defeatism is a very interesting, though pointless, debate tactic.halplm wrote:I think my ONE piece of evidence is plenty. You are free to disagree and dismiss my perspective if you like (because I'm sure if I presented enough evidence you'd be convinced ), but you don't set the burden of proof around here.TheEllipticalDisillusion wrote:If you don't have the energy to substantiate your own claims, then there is nothing for us to talk about, hal. If you make a claim, the burden is on you to support it. If you refuse, then your opinion will be ignored for lack of substantial insight.Well, yeah, that's pretty much all I feel like digging up right now, but feel free to explain why that's not enough... Make sure to mention how Alaska has no people and such, so it doesn't really count...
Obama did leave his office, C_G. So did a number of members of congress that gained appointments in the new administration. Are you trying to equate stepping down from your Senate seat to become president with stepping down from your governorship to write a book and go on tour as on equal terms? Disingenuous indeed.
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Well, a republican would say that.
Let's look at the first 1:12 of this:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-s ... ender-card
Let's look at the first 1:12 of this:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-s ... ender-card
It's about time.