The Lord of the Rings Symphony

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truehobbit wrote:Thanks for the quote and translation! :)
(Although I just linked to one in my post :salmon: )
Oops, I missed that! :blackeye:


Subtley getting the thread back on track...

Yeah, too bad Howard Shore didn't have any arias for bass in the LOTR Symphony:

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TheTennisBallKid wrote:The Rivendell arpeggios? That's something of a stylistic trademark for Shore, which has been present in his scores, in one form or another, for pretty much his whole career...
That and his parallel chord progression and open 5ths. Since I've listened to the LotR soundtracks so many times, it's darn easy to pick out his music now. It was actually a bit distracting in A History of Violence as it kept reminding me of LotR a fair bit. :P
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Back from the LOTR-symphony, and I really loved it! :D

What I loved was that the music really told the story within two hours - I think it could stand alone as a piece of programme-music (should check if that's the correct name in English but don't have time), and the Alan Lee/John Howe artwork presentation that went along with it.

The orchestra/choir/soloists were good, I thought.

It took place in the Cologne Arena, which is a giant events-arena, not a concert hall. This meant that the music was amplified, and I thought that was regrettable - in a real concert hall it would make really good music, I think.

The good thing about this giant place, though, was that they hadn't been able to fill it (as I'd expected), so we didn't even have to sneak to better seats: when we arrived we were told that the high up range where I'd bought seats had been closed and our tickets were exchanged for tickets twice the price of mine. :D

There were quite a few people in costume, too.
Didn't see a familiar face, though (from the German Tolkien Society or so - but then, it would have been hard to find anyone in the crowd anyway).
A number of people around us (not all, though) were rather chatty, which was a pity - when the music was loud, that was seen as a general invitation to talk.
Astonishingly, though, by the second half I was so involved in the music that I almost didn't notice anymore.

I don't think I regret not having tried for the choir. The best thing of being in it, apart from the general experience, of course, would have been to get the music without people around you talking.
On the other hand, the choir couldn't see the pictures - and they were awesome! Plus, the choir part wasn't particularly interesting much of the time. So, that's ok. :)

I also think it was nice that I hadn't listened to the music for so long. I remembered things as I heard them, but basically it was all pretty fresh and interesting because I wasn't used to it anymore.
Towards the end I had real trouble following what part of the story the movie was illustrating, but that just helped me concentrate.
When it got to the Grey Havens, I was really moved and had a lump in my throat.

I felt I'd experienced the whole story in only two hours - what I'd sometimes want from the movies, really, where I tend to skip parts these days, because ten hours is just rather long, and I'd like to get through it quicker - this way you can.

So, very worthwhile, I thought. I'm hoping that we'll one day hear it in concert halls as just another programmatic symphony. :)
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Hobby, I missed you then! :(

At the sight of the choir standing behind the orchestra I was a bit reminded of Carmina Burana, but that changed quickly when the music began. I also enjoyed it a lot and felt the lump in my throat towards the end as well.

I think that the voice of the soloist who sang Aragorn´s part in the coronation scene was too deep - or was it only because I am used to Viggo´s interpretation?

The illustrations were wonderful, but no character was shown in a close-up except Arwen. They showed Boromir´s funeral boat going down the waterfall, but very tiny and from high above. My favourite pictures were those of Moria - perfect together with the music.

The people around me were not so chatty, but obviously hungry. They had crisps with them and picked them out of rustling bags! :shock:

The TTT part was surprisingly short, but the whole opus summarized the score pretty well. I would like to get a CD of the symphony.
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People around you were talking and eating crisps? How rude!

I'm really looking forward to this now - it's been ages since I got a real Tolkieny fix! :D
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Lhaewin, as you've seen in this thread it was rather a last-minute decision for me to go, and I was completely occupied with a concert of our choir the whole week before.
I think you told me once you were going with your hubby, didn't you? It's a pity we didn't get to talk before the concert after I'd got the tickets.

Glad you liked it, too! Hmmmh, not sure if crisps aren't even worse than talking. :P ;)

I agree the guy who sang Aragorn's part sounded weird, no idea why they didn't pick a voice more similar to Aragorn's, it was only a few lines anyway - and the Baritone is the only soloist, apart from the Soprano, who is named in the programme (yes, I spent ten bleedin' Euros on a programme with nothing much in it, because I wanted it for a souvenir - it's got some nice pics, though, and after all, I'd saved on the tickets ;) ) - there were a number of other soloists who didn't get named at all (I liked the girl who sang the boy's lines in the FOTR, for example).

I loved all the architecture drawings, especially Moria - at some points it seemed to feel like you could touch it!

Alys, it seems that the Glasgow performance will be in a proper concert hall, so I'd expect people are better behaved there. :D
The arena usually has sports events and rock-concerts, so I guess that creates a different atmosphere.
And I'm very curious to hear whether they'll use loudspeakers in real concert halls as well - can't imagine it, but you never know.
Hearing the choir sound as if they were standing in front of you, rather than from behind the orchestra was just wrong - and it was a bit embarrassing for the children's choir, as it made each little irregularity audible - LOL. ;)
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truehobbit wrote:I agree the guy who sang Aragorn's part sounded weird, no idea why they didn't pick a voice more similar to Aragorn's, it was only a few lines anyway...
Are you saying that Viggo Mortensen's voice isn't weird? :shock:

There's a nice write-up at TORN: Lord of the Rings Symphony in Cologne, Germany.

The reviewer states:
Phillip Langshaw performed Aragorn’s part quite unusually, with a deep and powerful bass, very unlike to Viggo Mortensen’s whispering mumbling.
"Whispering mumbling" is a very apt description. :D


The performance in San Francisco will be at Davies Hall, which is where the symphony normally performs so I expect that the acoustics will be fantastic. I trust that no one will be eating potato chips. :roll:

(Crisps is the European name for potato chips, right?)
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Old_Tom_Bombadil wrote: Are you saying that Viggo Mortensen's voice isn't weird? :shock:
Good point! :rofl:
It definitely is, but Langshaw seemed weird when you expected something like what you'd heard in the movie. :D

Thanks for the link - I had no idea there'd been a big get-together by the Tolkien Society! :shock:
Hmmh, I liked the kettledrums (though I thought the reason they were so loud was because of the sound coming through loudspeakers).
And, yes, I was looking for (and forward to) the Norwegian fiddle, but there was none, which was a bit disappointing.
So, next year it'll be performed in the Gewandhaus? Wow, that would be interesting (it's the other end of the country, though).

(Crisps is the European name for potato chips, right?)
No, crisps is the real name for potato chips! :P

(Actually, I find "crisps" weird, too, because it's hard to pronounce, and in German they are "chips" as well. ;) )
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For those attending the performance in San Francisco on Saturday, July 15th, some friends and I will be having a post-performance moot at a local pub. ("Local" meaning somewhere in the City.)

The exact meeting place has not yet been decided upon but I'll post it here as soon as I know. Anyway, we'd be pleased to welcome anyone from HOF who'd like to join us. :)
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According to Law, in the US, potato chips must be actual slices of potato that are fried. Potato crisps, by contrast, can be powdered and re-formed a la Pringle's.

Consumer protection and all that. :roll:
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I'll be at the Saturday performance. Any word on the post-performance party?
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Me and Mr. Frelga are going Saturday, too.
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My wife and I are meeting with some friends for a post-concert moot to be held tentatively at the California Pizza Kitchen at 524 Van Ness Ave. (It was selected for its proximity to Davies Hall, which is at 201 Van Ness.) All are welcome. :)

If for some reason the location changes, I'll post it here.

Also, if you have any questions you may send an email to Ithilrande at: tolkienfriends @ earthlink.net. (Remove the spaces for the actual email address.) Tell her Tom sent you. ;)
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It's confirmed that our post-concert moot will be at the California Pizza Kitchen. We'd like to give the restaurant an approximate headcount so if you think you'd like to join us please email your RSVP to tolkienfriends @ earthlink.net. :)
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And a good time was had by all! :)
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We had a great day in San Francisco attending the LOTR Symphony and dining afterwards at the California Pizza Kitchen with our friends. Members of a group I belong to--we call ourselves "The Tolkien Friendship Society"--were joined by Voronwë and his pretty lady Beth, Narya/Laurenna, Frelga, and some others to whom I was not introduced. (Since Frelga posted that she was bringing her husband I can only guess that one of the men belonged to her. ;)) The restaurant was very accommodating to our large group, and I think everyone enjoyed the food and the company. :)

I think we all enjoyed the concert very much. It was a sunny and slightly breezy day in San Francisco, certainly the climate was much milder than where I live in Sacramento, but inside the concert hall was rather warm. (I guess that's what happens when you have a sold out or nearly sold out house filled with living, breathing, warm-bloodied human beings. :P ) It would be interesting to speak with the performers to know what adjustments, if any, were made for the sake of intonation. (Warm air tends to raise pitch, thus adding to the potential of instruments, particularly those made of metal like brass, etc., to be sharp.)

One thing I was very curious about was instrumentation. I noticed that there were two harps, two guitars, and an accordian! There was not a tin whistle for the Shire music, however. That part was covered by piccolo. There was also that instrument related to the hammer dulcimer, I don't recall what it is called, that you can see on the DVD. Most impressive was the half dozen (or thereabouts) gentlemen in the percussion section. There were definitely some interesting sounds coming from that section of the orchestra.

I don't know why but I really love the sound of tympani. You'll hear them featured very heavily in some works by Mozart and Beethoven, and they play a prominant role in Puccini's opera Turandot. I guess I love tympani because they're so dramatic! :D

The vocal soloists were excellent. A local San Francisco lad dressed in grey slacks, a navy blue jacket, and white shirt with burgundy tie sang the boy soprano parts from the FOTR section. He received quite a round of applause at the end of the first half of the concert.

Elizabeth Franks, listed in the program as a mezzo-soprano, sang the solo parts during the Lothlórien section. From what I heard I would have classified her voice as a contralto. I thought to myself, “Dang! She can sing lower than I can!”. Voices are often misclassified for various reasons--that might be true in her case--or it could also be that she prefers being classified as a mezzo so that she’ll have the opportunity to sing a greater number of roles or parts. (To my knowledge the repertoire for contralto is rather limited.) Whatever the case, she had a very impressive lower range.

The music from each movie was divided into two movements, so the symphony has a total of six movements. The two movements for FOTR comprised the first half the concert, while the remaining four movements for TTT and ROTK comprised the second half. Sixteen year old soprano Kaitlynn Lusk handled all of the female solo parts in the second half, while baritone Joshua Henderson sang the portion that Viggo Mortensen sang in the movie. The part that Henderson sang sounded more in the bass range, so perhaps he’s a bass-baritone? More voice classification confusion. :?

Young Ms. Lusk has a very beautiful voice and, from her credits in the program, already has had quite an extensive singing career. With her fair skin, dark hair, and light grey dress she wore her appearance was very reminiscent of Arwen. I found her singing style very interesting. In her upper range she sounded more classical, but in her lower range she sounded a bit more pop-influenced. In any case she had a very impressive voice, and I hope her career continues to blossom as her voice develops to maturity.
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Well, I, for one, am not jealous.



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All I can say about the symphony at this late hour is :love: :love: :love:

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Thanks, Tom - and narya for the pic - sounds great - I'd love to hear more reports! :D Even though, like ttbk, I'm not the least bit jealous. ;)
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There's a review of Friday night's performance from TORN:

LOTR Symphony Review
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