Too late?

[Primula Baggins]

What a bunch of pathetic losers.

[RoseMorninStar]

Stuff like that makes me so sad Frelga.


I had read an article detailing how the town chose to handle this 'event'. The shops decided to close on Saturday so that there would be little traffic downtown but in order not to hurt businesses they had a special family night Friday (last night) in which there were late hours, specials, prayer rally, and they had sidewalk chalk and encouraged children/families to make loving signs on the sidewalk.

Why do they do this? The town doesn't want them there. What is their purpose?

[RoseMorninStar]

Ugh. They choose a random 'preferably white' town each April to 'honor' Adolf Hitler's birthday. Those are some sick puppies. So, they consider it patriotic to honor an evil Austrian/German genocidal dictator nut job?

[Túrin Turambar]

Apparently there were only about two dozen people, so there can't have been many more than those on stage. Which makes sense, as open admiration of Hitler is still pretty much beyond the pale in most western countries.

[RoseMorninStar]

What is worrying is that open racism has become more common with a little 'righteous' patriotism smeared on top. The ugliness is more open, and seemingly it is spreading beyond the US.

I recall hearing about a cross burning not too far from where I lived when I was young. I don't recall many details, but the cross was burned on the lawn of a black person and it was intended as intimidation. I cannot be sure, but I will guess that it had to do with a black person moving into what had been a 'white' neighborhood. I recall feeling unsettled and scared. I cannot imagine how the people living through it must have felt. It left quite an impression on me. I found, and still find, it puzzling that a burning cross is the symbol of choice by the KKK.

[Cenedril_Gildinaur]

Two dozen people. Whatever "open racism" might be something to comment on, keep it in perspective. It is two dozen people.

Unless the claim is that they represent a much larger group afraid to show their faces, they clearly show they are nowhere near large enough to be a threat to anyone. If they do represent a much larger group afraid to show their faces, then it isn't "open racism".

[Voronwë the Faithful]

I split off the discussion about 'Zero Tolerance', Family separations & other immigration issues

Clearly it deserved its own thread.

[Frelga]

Thread
https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1016843244297228288

omfg. The House of Representatives has introduced a bill called the “Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018,” which carries a potential 15-year prison sentence for anyone caught engaging in behaviors typically associated with anti-fascist activists. https://t.co/IQLRzfopZD

[eborr]

At an ethical level I don't see much difference between the fascists or Nazi's the alt-right or indeed the supporter of neo-liberal economics, each of these movements is entirely comfortable with the notion of individuals within their cohorts being successful by exploiting and taking advantage of other peoples weakness.

Of course the MSM don't like this point being made, because they operate according to the same principles, which is there is no such thing as right and wrong, as long as you can get away with it,

As recently as two days ago and Minister of the Crown stated that she hoped we could agree a Brexit which would allows Britain's Entrepreneurs to be Buccaneers in the global economy, well a Buccaneer is a licensed pirate, so that gives you some ideas of the ethical base on which these people operate.

In answer to the question would I punch a Nazi - my answer would be frequently and as hard as I could.

[Cenedril_Gildinaur]

Ah yes, Antifa. Never mind that they use fascist tactics, they are completely different.

We know the Nazis weren't socialist in spite of their name because their name was complete propaganda. We know Antifa isn't fascist because "anti-fascist" is part of their name.

[Sunsilver]

If it hadn't been for the Antifa in Charlottesville, the clergy would have been beaten to a pulp:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... ville.html

[Sunsilver]

Contrast between the leftists and Nazis/White supremacists in Charlottesville:

The white supremacists did not blink at violently plowing right through clergy, all of us dressed in full clerical garb. White supremacy is violence. I didn’t see any racial justice protesters with weapons; as for antifa, anything they brought I would only categorize as community defense tools and nothing more.

I think I posted these pictures before, at the time of the rally, but I don't want people to forget.

[Sunsilver]

Here's something else that got me angry this past week. You probably know I'm a huge fan of the Man in Black, the late Johnny Cash. Well, one of the neo Nazis was wearing a Johnny Cash T-shirt. Here's how Cash's family responded:

We were alerted to a video of a young man in Charlottesville, a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi, spewing hatred and bile. He was wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the name of Johnny Cash, our father. We were sickened by the association.

Johnny Cash was a man whose heart beat with the rhythm of love and social justice. He received humanitarian awards from, among others, the Jewish National Fund, B’nai Brith, and the United Nations. He championed the rights of Native Americans, protested the war in Vietnam, was a voice for the poor, the struggling and the disenfranchised, and an advocate for the rights of prisoners. Along with our sister Rosanne, he was on the advisory board of an organization solely devoted to preventing gun violence among children. His pacifism and inclusive patriotism were two of his most defining characteristics. He would be horrified at even a casual use of his name or image for an idea or a cause founded in persecution and hatred. The white supremacists and neo-Nazis who marched in Charlottesville are poison in our society, and an insult to every American hero who wore a uniform to fight the Nazis in WWII. Several men in the extended Cash family were among those who served with honor.
Our dad told each of us, over and over throughout our lives, ‘Children, you can choose love or hate. I choose love.’

We do not judge race, color, sexual orientation or creed. We value the capacity for love and the impulse towards kindness. We respect diversity, and cherish our shared humanity. We recognize the suffering of other human beings, and remain committed to our natural instinct for compassion and service.

To any who claim supremacy over other human beings, to any who believe in racial or religious hierarchy: we are not you. Our father, as a person, icon, or symbol, is not you. We ask that the Cash name be kept far away from destructive and hateful ideology.

We Choose Love.

Rosanne Cash
Kathy Cash
Cindy Cash
Tara Cash
John Carter Cash

August 16, 2017

[Cenedril_Gildinaur]

So sometimes Antifa does something good. If it was Antifa. I don't see two sides, I see three.

1. Neo-Nazis, not the real thing, a bunch of dumb punks who would be first in the concentration camps if real Nazis took over.
2. Antifa, a bunch of Role-Playing college students who would be first in the gulag if real communists took over.
3. Sane People with an intense dislike for violent jerks.

Antifa likes to say to Sane People "We're both against the Nazis, that makes us the same." No it doesn't. Sane People who don't like violent jerks don't like Antifa because Antifa are violent jerks. It's not two sides against each other, it's three sides against each other.

It doesn't help the Antifa case that all of their tactics are eerily reminiscent of their alleged opponents. They honestly do believe in absolutely no freedom of speech, and they believe "liberals get the bullet too."

One of the problems with Antifa is their "you're with us or against us" mindset, so anyone who disagrees with them is a fascist. By definition. They protest some very non-fascist people who want to speak. They protested a debate between an Objectivist and a Liberal on the grounds that both of them were fascists. They protest a gay jew who dates black guys because he's a fascist.

Don't pardon Antifa just because they oppose someone bad. They aren't good in themselves, it is a case of bad vs. bad.

And what do they have against trashcans?

[Frelga]

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[Faramond]

What an amazing cartoon. So the red skull guy is -- what? Flayed Zombie Hitler? At least he's in constant pain, then? I'm not sure I understand the metaphysics of this cartooniverse.

So Flayed Zombie Hitler there represents the Nazis, I guess, and the Joker is -- Antifa? No, that can't be right. Even when they resort to violence and wear scary masks they aren't really as bad as the Joker -- I think. The Joker is us? Is that it?

I'm not really buying the Joker's turn in the last panel. So he was okay with a murderous maniac cosplaying as a nazi but not him being an actual nazi? I've got to ask, what's the difference? I mean, if there's some guy wearing an SS uniform murdering innocent people I'm not going to care if it's a disguise or not.

[Frelga]

That's a panel from the 1997 Batman and Captain America (Elseworlds) comic book.
https://www.amazon.com/Batman-Captain-A ... 156389291X

There are more scans here https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/6067214.html

As for Joker's turn, I suppose siding with Nazis is too reprehensible even for an insane homicidal maniac.

[Sunsilver]

The Red Skull was Captain America's nemesis during WWII. He was the head of (and, I believe, founder of) the organization HYDRA. He is one of those characters that doesn't have a single redeeming feature.

(Tolkien-related footnote) In the movies, he's played by none other than Hugo Weaving.

Interesting to see a DC character (Joker) interacting with one from the Marvel universe...

[Cenedril_Gildinaur]

After much though I have decided that cartoon panel is actually quite fitting. The Red Skull is, of course, playing the part of the Nazis, meaning that the Joker is playing the part of Antifa.

That means Batman and Captain America are playing the part of Sane People With An Intense Dislike For Violent Jerks. It makes sense, as saying that either of them are on the same side as the Joker does sound very silly.

That also means that defenders of Antifa are saying "if you're going to be killed by a super-villain then it is better to be killed by the Joker than it is to be killed by the Red Skull." Uh, you're dead either way.

[Frelga]

Sunny, there have been a number of crossovers. There was one where Captain America met Superman.