2020 Election: Predictions, Results and Reactions
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Well, their strategy makes sense in the sense that it is slightly more likely that they could prevail on appeal on the limited issue of the denial of leave to amend, but it doesn't make sense as it doesn't really get them to a point of making any difference in the election results.
I will also point out that in that thread one of the Trump lawyers (the radio show host Marc Scaringi) says in that thread that Alan Dershowitz says that they have winning arguments. What Dershowitz (who have very little respect for at this point) actually said is that they have some arguments that could be winning arguments but that none of them would be sufficient to overturn the election results.
x-posted with Frelga, who apparently has not read this thread today.
I will also point out that in that thread one of the Trump lawyers (the radio show host Marc Scaringi) says in that thread that Alan Dershowitz says that they have winning arguments. What Dershowitz (who have very little respect for at this point) actually said is that they have some arguments that could be winning arguments but that none of them would be sufficient to overturn the election results.
x-posted with Frelga, who apparently has not read this thread today.
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Oh, now I see I missed it. My current consumption of news is limited.
But what a circus. This is taking "second time as farce" a little too far.
But what a circus. This is taking "second time as farce" a little too far.
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Republican PA canvassers vote against certification in a county *Trump won*:
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/ ... 5387641858
Certification happened anyway, but it's clear their goal is just to gum up the works however they can. There need to be consequences for this.
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/ ... 5387641858
Certification happened anyway, but it's clear their goal is just to gum up the works however they can. There need to be consequences for this.
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In some states criminal charges are an option, if the state AGs are interested.
When you can do nothing what can you do?
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With regard to the Pennsylvania case, the Trump lawyers amended their motion to clarify what they are asking for, but so far as I can tell they are still only asking the appellate court to rule that the trial court judge erred in denying leave to amend. The court granted their request for an expedited briefing schedule with their brief due today at 4 p.m. and the opposition due tomorrow at 4 p.m. The court said that it would request oral argument if necessary.
I doubt it will be necessary.
Dave, do you know when the Michigan Board of Canvassers is actually supposed to meet? [Edit: never mind I found it. 1:00 p.m. And it can be watched live at www.Facebook.com/MichiganSOS.]
I doubt it will be necessary.
Dave, do you know when the Michigan Board of Canvassers is actually supposed to meet? [Edit: never mind I found it. 1:00 p.m. And it can be watched live at www.Facebook.com/MichiganSOS.]
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The "other" Republican just said the group has a "duty" to certify the results. So that should be that.
Edit: Except he wants to hear comments from the public first. Is this some sort of filibuster tactic?
Edit: Except he wants to hear comments from the public first. Is this some sort of filibuster tactic?
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I don't think that they ever intended vote before public comment, so I thought Van Langevelde's objection didn't make any sense. It certainly did sound like he intends to vote to certify once they finally get to it. As for Shinkle, the little that I heard from him before I had to leave for a while sounded as whackadoodle as I expected. And what is he wearing around his neck? [Edit: I see it is his mask, which of course is doing nothing there.]
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Evidently (according to reporting on CNN) the Kremlin is calling for Trump to recognize the results of the election & concede.
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Lol. Well if there's anyone he'll listen to...
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The head of the Michigan GOP is speaking now, demanding delay despite the fact that the law doesn't allow it.
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Van Langevelde is questioning John James' attorney and he certainly still sounds like he is going to certify today. We'll see whether he gets convinced otherwise.
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Sooooo, for those of us not following this absurdity bit by bit, anybody care to provide a quick summary of where things stand right now? Is there a light at the end of the tunnel as far as getting the results officially declared and finalized?
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Yes.
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Is the light, in fact, a flamethrower mounted on an incoming train?
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No.
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Frelga wrote:Is the light, in fact, a flamethrower mounted on an incoming train?
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Monica Palmer, the GOP member of the Wayne County board who Trump called, is talking now in a minuet with Shinkle.
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Is that a typo?
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Is what a typo?
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minuet?
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was a 2020 planner.
"Does anyone ever think about Denethor, the guy driven to madness by staying up late into the night alone in the dark staring at a flickering device he believed revealed unvarnished truth about the outside word, but which in fact showed mostly manipulated media created by a hostile power committed to portraying nothing but bad news framed in the worst possible way in order to sap hope, courage, and the will to go on? Seems like he's someone we should think about." - Dave_LF