The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

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Passdagas the Brown wrote:I already explained that I'm impatient for news. Then we get one written line from a forthcoming trailer, and I freak out. Is there any reason to be surprised? ;)
No. But I still going to judge your reaction by standards of reasonableness. We don't even know whether this is actually a real line from the trailer, and if so, if it is reported accurately, or what the context is in the trailer, or whether that context has any relation whatsoever to the line in the film, or even if the line is in the film, if really is in the trailer. A bit too tenuous to freak out, even by your standards.
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They ridicule Aragorn not for his lines, but for his actions.
"They" ridicule his lines, too. Such as:
‘Elendil!’ he cried. ‘I am Aragorn son of Arathorn and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dъnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil’s son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!’
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"They" ridicule his lines, too. Such as:
‘Elendil!’ he cried. ‘I am Aragorn son of Arathorn and am called Elessar, the Elfstone, Dъnadan, the heir of Isildur Elendil’s son of Gondor. Here is the Sword that was Broken and is forged again! Will you aid me or thwart me? Choose swiftly!’
But... but... that line is awesome. Also, people don't use the word "swiftly" often enough.
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Minor News: German Site releases "official" synopsis for Bot5A

http://kinotipp-trailer.blogspot.de/201 ... l?spref=tw

Arannir, over on TORn has provided a literal translation of the text:
With "The Hobbit - The Battle of the Five Armies" Oscar-winning film-maker Peter Jackson presents the finale installment of his trilogy-version of the still popular masterpiece by J.R.R. Tolkien.

"The Hobbit - The Battle of the Five Armies" shows the epic finale of the adventures of Bilbo Beutlin, Thorin Oakenshield and the dwarves. When the companions reclaim their home from the dragon Smaug, they accidently unleash a devastating power: the furious Smaug spits his fiery wrath onto the defenseless men, women and children of Lake-town.

Thorin is obsessed with his urge to protect the reclaimed treasure - and even risks friendship and honor for it, while Bilbo desperately tries to bring him back to his senses. Soon the Hobbit has to make a very dicey decision. However, even greater dangers lie ahead for the companions. As only the wizard Gandalf realizes that the great enemy Sauron has set his Orc-legions in motion, in order to surprisingly attack the Lonely Mountain.

When the conflict escalates and darkness descends, the people of Dwarves, Elves and Men stand before the choice either to fight together or fall. In the epochal Battle of the Five Armies, Bilbo risks his life for the sake of his friends: the future of Middle-earth is at risk.


Ian McKellen reprises his role as Gandalf the Grey, and Martin Freeman portrays the titular character Bilbo Beutlin. As Thorin Eichenschild features Richard Armitage. The international cast includes Evangeline Lilly, Lee Pace, Luke Evans, Benedict Cumberbatch, Ken Stott, James Nesbitt as well as Cate Blanchett, Ian Holm, Christopher Lee, Hugo Weaving and Orlando Bloom.

The Hobbit-Trilogy tells a coherent tale in Middle-earth 60 years prior to "The Lord of the Rings" which was brought to cinemas by Oscar-winner and film-maker Peter Jackson and his team as a blockbuster-trilogy. The climax being the Oscar-winning "The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King".

The screenplay for "The Hobbit - The Battle of the Five Armies" was written by Fran Walsh & Philippa Boyens & Peter Jackson & Guillermo del Toro based on the novel by J.R.R. Tolkien.

The movie comes to German theatres on 10 December 2014.


Apparently Círdan of HDRF.de has confirmed the authenticity of the text (according to TheHutt in the same thread)


So... confirmation it is definitely no longer the simple tale of a Hobbit and a quest for treasure:
...the future of Middle-earth is at risk.
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It's funny how perspectives differ. My take-away from that is that it confirms that the basic story -- and Bilbo's role in it -- is intact, and I find it quite encouraging.

Dave, that is just confirmation that you are not one of "they".
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote:Dave, that is just confirmation that you are not one of "they".
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I've been looking for an instant NOOOOOOO button. Thanks, Dave.
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Voronwë the Faithful wrote:It's funny how perspectives differ. My take-away from that is that it confirms that the basic story -- and Bilbo's role in it -- is intact, and I find it quite encouraging.
It was a joke...hence the smiley...though I do think it an unnecessary exaggeration!
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Well, Gandalf himself said, in "The Quest of Erebor," that the consequences of Sauron working in concert with Smaug would have been devastating.

One of the great unanswerables: what would a PJ Hobbit have been like had he made it first, without the overriding need for continuity?
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Or: what if PJ simply decided to ignore "the overriding need for continuity?" Would have made for a better set of films, I think.
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axordil wrote:Well, Gandalf himself said, in "The Quest of Erebor," that the consequences of Sauron working in concert with Smaug would have been devastating.
That is true, but the quote in question seems to be referring the actual battle, not the whole "Quest"
In the epochal Battle of the Five Armies, Bilbo risks his life for the sake of his friends: the future of Middle-earth is at risk.
In the book, with Smaug's death Sauron could no longer ally himself, so the future of Middle-earth was not at risk on the outcome of said Battle... (unless you count the chance of Bilbo losing the Ring, I suppose!)

This is the trouble with the movie name-change - it may become confusing on occasion as to whether the actual battle is being referred to, or the movie as a whole.
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I split off the discussion about "Badass lines" into the Shibboleth forum.
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A collection of clips and stills culled from the various vlogs, pertaining (mostly) to what we might well be seeing in the third movie...

http://youtu.be/Zpc1g0Le1Z4
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I don't think this has been posted yet - an MTV interview from back in April with Luke Evans

‘The Hobbit’ Final Battle Is ‘Bigger, Better, Crazier’...
MTV: Well, you’ve got a big movie ahead of you with “There and Back Again.”
LE: Oh, totally. We’ve only just touched on Bard’s real storyline. It’s exciting. That’s why I’m so excited about it.

MTV: Fans of the book will be looking forward to a very big scene. What can you tell us about those days on set?
LE: There’s a lot I can’t talk about obviously because I’m going to have to talk about this again in December when the film actually does come out. There are some amazing moments in the third film. All I can say is that it was very powerful, incredibly emotional and physically some of the hardest stuff I’ve ever done.

MTV: And obviously, there’s an enormous fight coming, which Bard plays a role in. How does The Battle of Five Armies stack up to what we’ve seen in “The Lord of the Rings”?
LE: Peter wanted to do something bigger, better, even crazier than what he did in “The Lord of the Rings.” That’s a feat in and of itself. We all know what the battles were like in “The Lord of the Rings.” They’re going to be treated to something spectacular, I’m sure.
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I remember seeing that before, but I don't think it was here.
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BOTFA footage shown by Warners to Foreign Theatre Owners

At CineEurope in Barcelona, WB International distribution president Veronika Kwan Vandenberg led the studio presentation, which was split into two parts, with a look at the remainder of this year’s global release slate and the studio's 2015 slate. She shared snippets of "Interstellar" and the final "Hobbit" film, plus a personal message from Peter Jackson...
Vandenberg brought a taped message from Peter Jackson and some never-seen footage from the third and final Hobbit movie, The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies, which will herald the end of the filmmaker’s 16 years of bringing the work of J.R.R. Tolkien to the big screen. Jackson thanked the exhibition community for being "supportive every step of the way" with his quest from the Lord of the Rings to the Hobbit franchise, describing his relationship with foreign theaters as a partnership. After screening the footage, Vandenberg noted that she and the team are sure the all-star franchise-ender will deliver an "exceptional performance" at the box office in December 2014.
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Small bit of news here:

Manu Bennett to do pickups in July
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Noo!
Azog and pickups, two of PJ's worst associations combined. :(
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Meh!
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:roll:
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I like Azog, so this doesn't bother me.
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