Star Wars VII: The Force Awakens—non-spoiler discussion
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The Phantom Menace remains the only film I have ever seen twice in a theater because I couldn't believe how bad it was the first time and needed to confirm it wasn't just me.
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"Star Wars: Episode VII — The Force Awakens"
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Such an awful name. I prefer the alleged earlier working title: "Star Wars: Episode VII - The Ancient Fear."
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I have to admit that the names of Star Wars films don't bother me anymore - 'The Empire Strikes Back' is a silly name, but it's still one of the greatest-ever films.
As we count down to the return of Star Wars, here's a Youtube video that I quite enjoyed: What the Original Trilogy got wrong (language warning, etc). The Stormtroopers, the Death Star and, for that matter, the Dark Side of the Force always bothered me a bit as well. I've recently re-watched all the SW films, save for TPM, which I still find unwatchable, and it was interesting to have the experience of considering them as a whole.
As we count down to the return of Star Wars, here's a Youtube video that I quite enjoyed: What the Original Trilogy got wrong (language warning, etc). The Stormtroopers, the Death Star and, for that matter, the Dark Side of the Force always bothered me a bit as well. I've recently re-watched all the SW films, save for TPM, which I still find unwatchable, and it was interesting to have the experience of considering them as a whole.
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True. All the Star Wars titles are pretty terrible (with ESB being one of the worst names, while arguably the best of the films). But that doesn't mean we couldn't get a good one this time!
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I don't particularly like "The Ancient Fear" any better.
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Um, guys, the series/franchise/whatever is already named Star Wars. With that sort of base material, there is no hope for anything other than cheese. And, given that the best of the movies had the misfortune to be called The Empire Strikes Back, I'm not going to read anything into the title of Episode VII.
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You're wrong.Voronwë the Faithful wrote:I don't particularly like "The Ancient Fear" any better.
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You're wrong that he doesn't like it any better?
Technically (and linguistically) you're wrong
Technically (and linguistically) you're wrong
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A joke. Not a very good one, I admit.
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I don't like it because titles should not assume previous knowledge of the story, and that's exactly what you're doing when you include a proper noun from it.* ** ***
*I have the same problem with "The Desolation of Smaug" ("of the dragon" would have been ok)
**"Fellowship of the Ring" is toeing the line
***"The Hobbit" deliberately subverts the rule in order to create curiosity--this is ok. But "The Force Awakens" is just assuming that everyone already knows what The Force is.
*I have the same problem with "The Desolation of Smaug" ("of the dragon" would have been ok)
**"Fellowship of the Ring" is toeing the line
***"The Hobbit" deliberately subverts the rule in order to create curiosity--this is ok. But "The Force Awakens" is just assuming that everyone already knows what The Force is.
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I agree, Dave. However, the original trilogy also suffers from that, with "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi." The former is better, because it's almost generic (as opposed to the "Galactic Empire Strikes Back," "Darth Vader Strikes Back," or something equally silly), but the latter is far too specific. In that sense, "The Desolation of Smaug" is a miserable title, IMO.
That's what I liked about the fan title "The Ancient Fear." It assumes no knowledge of the story, and is far more evocative than "The Force Awakens." However, it was a fan title, and may have nothing to do with the actual story!
That's what I liked about the fan title "The Ancient Fear." It assumes no knowledge of the story, and is far more evocative than "The Force Awakens." However, it was a fan title, and may have nothing to do with the actual story!
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No argument there. I guess they may as well be consistent.Passdagas the Brown wrote:I agree, Dave. However, the original trilogy also suffers from that, with "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Return of the Jedi." The former is better, because it's almost generic (as opposed to the "Galactic Empire Strikes Back," "Darth Vader Strikes Back," or something equally silly), but the latter is far too specific.
Though I barely even conceive of "The Empire Strikes Back" in terms of the meanings of the individual words--it was such a fixture of the world when I was growing up I practically think of "TheEmpireStrikesBack" as a word in its own right (with an odd emphasis pattern).
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That leads to the point I would make, which is that just about everyone in the potential audience for these films knows what "the Force" is. Even if you've never seen the films, you've heard of the Force. It's a pop culture trope, at least in North America. "Use the Force, Luke!" "May the Force be with you" (to which Lutherans reflexively respond, "And also with you").
If you're not connected to popular culture at all, you probably would have no interest in seeing these new movies anyway.
If you're not connected to popular culture at all, you probably would have no interest in seeing these new movies anyway.
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But when will we get the prequel "The Force Takes a Nap"??
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Ask and ye shall receive!yovargas wrote:But when will we get the prequel "The Force Takes a Nap"??
(Actually, despite the Clone Wars style graphics, its like a cross between A New Hope and Firefly.... and pretty good fun!)
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Wouldn't "The Force Eats Breakfast" come before "The Force Takes a Nap?" Or are we suggesting that the 2nd film skip ahead to after lunch?
ETA: I was close! The next two film titles have been announced. Episode VIII: "The Force Reluctantly Goes to Work After a Quick Breakfast, and then Eats Lunch at its Desk" and Episode IX: "The Force Settles in for a Low-Key Netflix Evening, Before Going to Sleep Again."
ETA: I was close! The next two film titles have been announced. Episode VIII: "The Force Reluctantly Goes to Work After a Quick Breakfast, and then Eats Lunch at its Desk" and Episode IX: "The Force Settles in for a Low-Key Netflix Evening, Before Going to Sleep Again."
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I'm thinking "The Force Eats Brunch" would be more appropriate since, as we all know, the Force loves mimosas.
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Tcheh! Mimosas are so Dawn of the Republic, I can't even.
“There, peeping among the cloud-wrack above a dark tor high up in the mountains, Sam saw a white star twinkle for a while. The beauty of it smote his heart, as he looked up out of the forsaken land, and hope returned to him. For like a shaft, clear and cold, the thought pierced him that in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach.”
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What about The Force Takes a Coffee Break?
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