I'd be too, but Loki isn't in it.yovargas wrote:I'll be way more excited for Avengers 2!
V, A-VEN-GERS. Boil them, mash them, put them in a fight against world-conquering villains. Even you couldn't say no to that.
I'd be too, but Loki isn't in it.yovargas wrote:I'll be way more excited for Avengers 2!
For once, we agree.Passdagas the Brown wrote:As much as Jackson's style annoys me, I'll certainly take BoFA over the dramatically overrated Avengers. Whedon films are fun to watch, but some of the Whedon worship I've witnessed puzzles me...
Yeah, I shouldn't say I HATE Avatar. It was somewhat enjoyable. But the adulation I can't understand. I also can't stand cartoon depictions of military leaders, and the main "villain" of Avatar is that to the nth degree.Smaug's voice wrote:It was only funny during interactions between Thor/Hulk/Loki. All else fell flat. Iron-Man is irritating.
I don't dislike Avatar. I liked the world-building. I loved the visuals. And it was incredible in 3D. But definitely not worth the hype. Overall it's rather mediocre.
There's nothing to suggest PJ might be adding stuff. At this point, I think all he's going to change is the focus of the film. Including more scenes of the BOFA and removing others. (hopefully the invented scenario of Tauriel-Kili-Legolas)Passdagas the Brown wrote: 1. Peter Jackson deciding on a completely new cut of the film this late in the game almost guarantees some serious sloppiness. Some of the worst elements of his films seem to have been cobbled together during "pick ups" and "reshoots," and IMO, a lot of the problems with AUJ and DOS stem from the very late-term "three film" decision, and from PJ's tendency to do constant script re-writes during filming. The making of these films is constantly lurching back and forth, and I get the sense that noone, neither the cast nor the crew, has a good sense of what they'll end up like. A tighter ship would have been preferable, IMO.
Since this is an open battle than a siege, I think this will be more similar to Pelennor Fields than Helms Deep. while I loved Helms Deep, I loved Pelennor even more. Though the ghosts and Legolas did ruin it.2. The last time PJ "focused on a battle" was in TTT, and IMO, that was the most dreadfully long and overwrought sequence across all three films. If we have more of that sort of thing for almost the entirety of this next film, I'm afraid I may not even make it through to the end.
More's the pity...Passdagas the Brown wrote:You really think that's possible? Legolas and Tauriel are very likely to have significant roles during BoFA. That's almost guaranteed.As long as Legolas/Tauriel do not have a major role
Passdagas the Brown wrote:
1. Peter Jackson deciding on a completely new cut of the film this late in the game almost guarantees some serious sloppiness. Some of the worst elements of his films seem to have been cobbled together during "pick ups" and "reshoots," and IMO, a lot of the problems with AUJ and DOS stem from the very late-term "three film" decision, and from PJ's tendency to do constant script re-writes during filming. The making of these films is constantly lurching back and forth, and I get the sense that noone, neither the cast nor the crew, has a good sense of what they'll end up like. A tighter ship would have been preferable, IMO.
I think he meant (or at least I took it mean) Legolas/Tauriel, as opposed Legolas, and Tauriel. Certainly the two of them will play prominent roles and both will surely add to the inevitable faux heroic nonsense, but I have some hope that Tauriel at least will continue to contribute to the emotional resonance. What I interpreted SV to mean (and I'm sure he will correct me if wrong), is to hope that there will less focus on any potential romantic relationship between Legolas and Tauriel. Since I don't think there ever was going to be such focus, I am not too concerned about that point.Passdagas the Brown wrote:You really think that's possible? Legolas and Tauriel are very likely to have significant roles during BoFA. That's almost guaranteed.As long as Legolas/Tauriel do not have a major role
That's more of an observation than a prediction.And yes, the Moth is likely to be back!
Elen wrote:Last minute re-writes may have worked for LotR, particularly when, as they have admitted, they kept coming back to the book...but I do think all the whole TH has been the worse for all the chopping and changing/expanding since Principal photography.
Consistency?Voronwë the Faithful wrote:Elen wrote:Last minute re-writes may have worked for LotR, particularly when, as they have admitted, they kept coming back to the book...but I do think all the whole TH has been the worse for all the chopping and changing/expanding since Principal photography.
Whereas I think that last minute rewrites were a much bigger problem with LOTR, particularly TTT and most of all ROTK, which largely was a mess a result. Both TH films so far are a model of film making consistency in comparison.
I meant both of the those.VtF wrote:I think he meant (or at least I took it mean) Legolas/Tauriel, as opposed Legolas, and Tauriel. Certainly the two of them will play prominent roles and both will surely add to the inevitable faux heroic nonsense, but I have some hope that Tauriel at least will continue to contribute to the emotional resonance. What I interpreted SV to mean (and I'm sure he will correct me if wrong), is to hope that there will less focus on any potential romantic relationship between Legolas and Tauriel. Since I don't think there ever was going to be such focus, I am not too concerned about that point.
I do not know this. What were the last minute changes in LotR?Elen wrote:
Last minute re-writes may have worked for LotR, particularly when, as they have admitted, they kept coming back to the book...but I do think all the whole TH has been the worse for all the chopping and changing/expanding since Principal photography.
Whereas I think that last minute rewrites were a much bigger problem with LOTR, particularly TTT and most of all ROTK, which largely was a mess a result. Both TH films so far are a model of film making consistency in comparison.