Trump Charged With 37 counts of Espionage, Obstruction and related crimes
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OK, but what enforcement tools is this court prepared to use?
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I don't understand what you are asking?
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I think she's asking (because I am wondering this too) what are the consequences going to be if Trump and his attorneys don't do this by the stated deadlines?
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While I don't know this for sure, presumably if they don't meet the deadlines set by the special master they asked for, they won't get the privilege review of the documents they requested. Otherwise there are no consequences. The consequences will come if and when a criminal case is filed.
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The DoJ has met its deadline to file a declaration or affidavit as to whether the Detailed Property Inventory, represents the full and accurate extent of the property seized from the premises located at
1100 S. Ocean Boulevard, Palm Beach, Florida 33480 (the “Premises”) on August 8, 2022, excluding documents bearing classification markings (the “Seized Materials”), filing a affidavit from the special agent in charge of the search, with his or her name redacted. The really interesting deadline is Friday, September 30, when Trump's team is required to
1100 S. Ocean Boulevard, Palm Beach, Florida 33480 (the “Premises”) on August 8, 2022, excluding documents bearing classification markings (the “Seized Materials”), filing a affidavit from the special agent in charge of the search, with his or her name redacted. The really interesting deadline is Friday, September 30, when Trump's team is required to
In other words, either state under oath that the FBI planted evidence or forever shut the fuck up about it.submit a declaration or affidavit that includes each of the following factual matters:
a. A list of any specific items set forth in the Detailed Property Inventory that Plaintiff asserts were not seized from the Premises on August 8, 2022.
b. A list of any specific items set forth in the Detailed Property Inventory that Plaintiff asserts were seized from the Premises on August 8, 2022, but as to which Plaintiff
asserts that the Detailed Property Inventory’s description of contents or location within the Premises where the item was found is incorrect.
c. A detailed list and description of any item that Plaintiff asserts was seized from the Premises on August 8, 2022, but is not listed in the Detailed Property Inventory.
This submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory
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So much for Trump's $3 million lawyer!
Newest addition to Trump’s legal team sidelined in Mar-a-Lago search case
Newest addition to Trump’s legal team sidelined in Mar-a-Lago search case
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I think this is likely to be the case.
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Everyone goes in thinking they can control Donald .. that they can be the 'adults in the room', but they have no idea what they are dealing with. They are under the misunderstanding/delusion that they are dealing with a rational human being.
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Is Four Seasons Landscaping licensed to practice law? They seem to be the most competent hire of anyone associated with TFG.
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Trump's lawyer Jim Trusty (sans the apparently $3 million man) filed an incredibly pithy response to the DoJ letter, including attaching his previous letter with objections that he had tried to keep private until the DoJ publicly responded to it. As Andrew Weissmann says,
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However
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In size, that would be approximately equivalent to 200 copies of The Lord of the Rings.
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And, not surprisingly, Judge Cannon has given Trump what he wants, and basically slapped down the special master that she appointed after Trump suggested him, a federal judge with 30 years more experience than she has.
Or, as Marcy Wheeler puts it,
Or, as Marcy Wheeler puts it,
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Cannon even accepts at face value Trump's claim that there are 200,000 documents to be reviewed.
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Lots of legal observers were saying yesterday that Dearie's plan put Trump in such a bind -- basically Trump would have had to admit that he had documents belonging to the government in his possession -- that Trump soon would drop his suit. But the commentator most frequently cited here lately warned that such takes were naïve and that Cannon had plenty of tricks yet to play. She was right.
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Lots of legal observers were saying yesterday that Dearie's plan put Trump in such a bind -- basically Trump would have had to admit that he had documents belonging to the government in his possession -- that Trump soon would drop his suit. But the commentator most frequently cited here lately warned that such takes were naïve and that Cannon had plenty of tricks yet to play. She was right.
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I wouldn't be shocked if Dearie quits. Which would just allow her to appoint a more amenable special master.
There is very little that the DoJ can do about this. They can petition for a writ of mandamus, but I doubt that would work. I think their best bet is to just keep going, and move forward with the appeal, including this latest action in their briefing.
There is very little that the DoJ can do about this. They can petition for a writ of mandamus, but I doubt that would work. I think their best bet is to just keep going, and move forward with the appeal, including this latest action in their briefing.
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More from Marcy.
AILEEN CANNON STOMPS ON THE SCALES OF TRUMPY INJUSTICE
I think it is fair to say that nothing like this has happened in recent memory.
AILEEN CANNON STOMPS ON THE SCALES OF TRUMPY INJUSTICE
I think it is fair to say that nothing like this has happened in recent memory.
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One more:
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Wheeler said a week or more ago that Cannon will probably end up firing Dearie, and as you've probably seen, Wheeler wrote just now that "things are going to get contentious and it's likely he'll be fired," and that she thinks Dearie would rather be fired than quit.Voronwë the Faithful wrote: ↑Thu Sep 29, 2022 9:44 pm I wouldn't be shocked if Dearie quits. Which would just allow her to appoint a more amenable special master.
There is very little that the DoJ can do about this. They can petition for a writ of mandamus, but I doubt that would work. I think their best bet is to just keep going, and move forward with the appeal, including this latest action in their briefing.