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Lots of words for saying .... you do nothing.
Correct. Partially because I don't think it's a serious problem - I think 99% of game contents is harmless, and that the other 1% is mostly played by the adults it's intended for. But mostly because censorship is the only alternative I can see, and censorship is a worse problem than violent video games.

I knew someone a few years ago who I sincerely believed to be genuinely addicted to a video game called Everquest (infamously nicknamed 'Evercrack' for its addictive qualities). Though he wasn't a friend, merely an acquaintance, I told him a couple times that I thought he had a problem and should try to cut back on the game playing. (I also thought he was almost certainly suffering from serious depression and was using the game as an escape from a painful reality, but didn't go there as that was too personal for someone I barely knew). He laughed it off saying his life was fine. It was sad but it was his life, not mine, so there's not much I could do, even if he had been close enough that I could try to get more involved.
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sauronsfinger, while I loathe video games with all my heart, I still think the real danger from them is the likelihood of shorter attention spans, lack of literacy, demand for constant stimulation, etc.

Street racing is a terrible problem in Vancouver. The slaughter is horrifying. Just this past weekend 3 young men, including two brothers, were killed when a BMW was cut in half upon impact with a pole. The two halves were flung 30 metres apart, that gives you some idea of the speed involved. The cops said the car must have been doing over 120 MILES PER HOUR. Not, KMH. MPH. One passenger survived with minor injuries, one remains in serious condition in hospital. These were not 18 year olds, but guys in their mid-twenties. I don't remember reading that any video games were found in the car, but it's likely, given their ages, that they'd been nightclubbing and drinking. The cops arrested the guy today that they'd been racing. He was not involved in the accident. A young son of wealthy parents who'd been given a BRAND NEW Mercedes for his 18th birthday. For the luvva pete. :(

Most street racers are younger, though. This weekend's accident was a bit unusual in the ages of the men involved.

Very, very often the street racers also kill or maim innocent bystanders, whether pedestrians or other drivers.

I truly don't believe that playing Grand Theft Auto or other street racing games is the reason for street racing. I'm much more inclined to blame rich parents who buy their boys these ridiculous high-performance cars. I never read about some poor young man who worked hard and saved his money to buy a Mercedes and then destroy it in street races. These kids are invariably spoiled little pukes whose indulgent parents (very often immigrants who've made it big and like to show off) buy them.

The speed and power of BMW's and Mercedes and certain Hondas, etc., is at least as much to blame as are video games for the carnage. Why not mount a campaign to have car manufacturers "do something" about their powerful cars?

Underage drinking. Combine booze and boys with speed and you get a fatal cocktail. What are you going to do with the parents of boys who drink and drive? I would be willing to bet that ALL those parents tell their boys repeatedly NOT to drink and drive. But after a couple of beers? Who remembers what the old lady had to say?

While yovargas and I disagree on how lovely these games are, I don't see any way of "controlling" them or "doing something about them". Parents have the responsibility of vetting the games their kids play. The games my boys play are plainly labelled, believe me, I check. And I also ask the geeky boy at the video store WHAT the game is. Several games marked "M" have been perfectly OK with me.

Parents have MANY responsibilities toward their kids. What are you going to do about parents who let their kids eat at McDonald's every day, or watch porn, or don't make them do their homework or any number of other things? While I sympathize with your point of view on games and parental irresponsibility, I can't quite agree that "society" needs to do anything. Like, what?

I remember very well the exact same arguments being used against comics when I was a teen, or against TV in later years. Doom and gloom is far more exciting than common sense.

But I still hate video games. :rage:
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It's interesting that the people who are most condemnatory toward video games are those who have the least experience with them. They are just a new form of entertainment, that's all. If played to the degree that they displace valuable activities such as reading and playing outdoors, they can be harmful. But they are not inherently evil. Whether they will ever rise to the level of great art - the jury's still out on that.

They're fun. One of the very few games I played to the end was The Secret of Monkey Island, and I have to tell you - it was bloody hilarious. It made me laugh out loud any number of times. (I'm also convinced it was the true inspiration for the film Pirates of the Carribean - ghost pirates, governor's daughter and all.)

Gamers drive the computer industry. This isn't an opinion - it's a fact. I worked for a company that made graphics controllers, and capturing the gamers (we called them "early adopters" :P) was what it was all about. Much of the reason that we all now have very fast computers with beautiful graphics is... so the games could be ever more complex. More than once I upgraded my home computer so my son's new game would run on it.

I would hate to see gaming abilities displace literacy, but I don't think that will happen.
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Ethel wrote: More than once I upgraded my home computer so my son's new game would run on it.
I've done that once. :P It felt a bit pathetic...to upgrade for a game. It was the Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone game. :P It was playable up until the cave troll part. My video card didn't have enough RAM(?) to run that part. I couldn't just stop the game, so of course I had to upgrade. :D (I'll probably have to do it again soon here...not sure.)
vison wrote: Parents have MANY responsibilities toward their kids. What are you going to do about parents who let their kids eat at McDonald's every day, or watch porn, or don't make them do their homework or any number of other things? While I sympathize with your point of view on games and parental irresponsibility, I can't quite agree that "society" needs to do anything.
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This is a very interesting thread. Made for a nice evening read. :)

I don't play video games or computer games and probably never will. It has never interested me & I lack the skills to do it very well.

My brothers play video games, perhaps a bit more than they should at times, but my mom is careful to restrict their time & they have many other activities they do as well. They're all very active in sports, except the youngest, but he has the greatest imagination of them all & he is my little LOTR prodigy.

One reason my mom is so careful about the time she allows them with games is because she herself once got addicted to a game. In all honest, for a few days, we really felt like we had lost our mother. She simply had to defeat the next level... and then the next level... and it was scary at the time! Once she stepped back & realized what she had been doing... neglecting her own children, she controlled the obsession and became our mom again.
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cemthinae wrote:One reason my mom is so careful about the time she allows them with games is because she herself once got addicted to a game. In all honest, for a few days, we really felt like we had lost our mother. She simply had to defeat the next level... and then the next level... and it was scary at the time! .
Just out of curiousity...what was the game? Do you remember?
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Very interesting story, cem. It just goes to show you its not just boys that are at risk.
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JewelSong wrote:Just out of curiousity...what was the game? Do you remember?
Do I ever!

Just don't tell her I told you, cuz she's still a bit embarrassed about it! ;)

It was an old Nintendo game, Dr Mario.

I had more to add to my post, but my computer froze up & I found something in RL that concerned me & I've lost my train of thought.

I think that everyone here seems to agree that moderation is a key to anything being healthy. I could live with that. :)
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I played Space Invaders once. I got slaughtered or zapped right away.

I tried a driving game and ran over all the pedestrians and trees and stuff and my son laughed so hard he choked.

Then, when my grandson got a Tony Hawke Underground game I tried it for about five minutes and gave up. Pointless. I just don't get it. :scratch:

Too old, I guess.
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LOL, vison!

My brothers used to ask me to play their James Bond multi-player game until I figured out that they only wanted me in because I was the easiest to kill.

Gee thanks! :blackeye:
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:rofl:

Okay. True confessions.

When Nintendo first came out in the 80's, I bought one for my daughter. After she taught me how to manipulate the controls I became addicted to three games. The Legend of Zelda ... which I played until I finally conquered level 9 ( then found the hidden game ... much more difficult) and my thumbs developed callouses. Tetris ( I was good!! and Othello, a board game based on Go, the Japanese version of chess.

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I played Tetris and Othello long after the original Nintendo box was obsolete. I played both games compulsively, burned the Tetris image into my tv screen and when it finally gave up the ghost ... decided not to buy another version because I just knew I'd suck up all of my time exercising my poor ruined thumbs stuck in front on the screen.

In retrospect, it's a damn good thing my generation was tv-less and video-less. I might not have learned to read!

If you have an addictive personality (like me) then I can understand why the games are a problem.

I refuse to download computer games. I know my weakness all too well.

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Ack, Super Mario. We had that. I played it, alongside my son. I think I got up to about level 8... or maybe 9... and then the futility of it all struck me and I said enough.

I liked the games with wit and charm. The puzzle games. I adored Myst. When I played Myst, I remember thinking... oh, goodness, here's this amazing new art form. As if you'd been given page 134 of a science fiction novel, and asked to figure out the rest of the story from that. How beguiling! And the graphics were beautiful. That lawn-dart spaceship... and the submerged ship... and Channelwood.

Turned out, though, that Myst was the only game like Myst. :(

I named my cat after it. :D
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Sass, I played Tetris for a while. And I still remember playing "Pong" (the very first video game).
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I remember playing pong with my brother on our Atari! :D

Actually 2 christmases ago I was given one of those "plug in play" Atari games. Remember thinking "What in the world?!!!" as I unwrapped it. At the time I was working a full time job & a part time job & double shifts at each one because of injuries & illnesses of other employees. I barely had time to feed my animals, let alone play some video game! (That was actually part of the time I disappeared offline. I was literally too busy to get online... can you imagine?! ;) )

Anyway, my point was, earlier, have you ever been so addicted to a game that you forgot to feed your kids? Forgot to make sure they had rides to school functions? Forgot to make sure there was food in the pantry?

There's a line between fun & obsession. My mom had crossed it & it was pretty scary for a kid.
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Alatar wrote: I really don't know SF. Like I said, I don't believe that Video Games are actually the problem, they are merely a symptom.
Excellent observation. There are obviously issues with antisocial behaviour and obesity among kids these days. I think that blaming video games is a bit of a cop-out, and I also suspect that many (although not all) parents or teachers who do blame problems like these on video games are trying to find scapegoats for their own shortcomings. If your 11-year-old video game addict son never eats, never sleeps, is failing school and attacks people that approach him with Tekken combos, then there are bigger issues than video games involved.

Of course, every recreational activity is meant to be done in moderation. Playing video games for five hours a day is foolish. However, it is no more foolish IMHO than watching TV for five hours a day, napping for five hours a day or lifting weights for five hours a day. I spend too much time sitting here posting on these wretched messageboards though, so any comment that I make is skirting hypocrisy.

I know! Let’s settle this the old fashioned way. A multiplayer game of Age of Empires – all the yay-sayers on one team and the nay-sayers on the other. The winners get to win the debate. :D.
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Probably the biggest selling computer game of all time is the Sims series which basically involves creating virtual worlds and just letting the little people or "Sims" live in it to see how they behave. Holds absolutely no interest for me but I believe it's the most gender/generational crossing game ever.

Anyone here ever played it who can explain the attraction?
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My kids play the Sims—not obsessively, but they enjoy it. I think for kids the attraction is experimenting with a version of adult life and seeing how different behaviors affect it (spending too much money, being a jerk, etc.). They also go on binges of building "dream houses."
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LM offered
I know! Let’s settle this the old fashioned way. A multiplayer game of Age of Empires – all the yay-sayers on one team and the nay-sayers on the other. The winners get to win the debate.
I like the basic idea but not the solution.


I propose a ten mile running race with a representative from each side forced to carry a hand controller during the race. We can do it in Toronto for the Gathering.

The gamers will have to do something they are not normal ues to while the non-gamers will have to do likewise.

Sounds fair to me.

We can see who has the strength to carry that controller over the finish line after ten miles ..... 8)
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Ethel wrote:I adored Myst. When I played Myst, I remember thinking... oh, goodness, here's this amazing new art form. As if you'd been given page 134 of a science fiction novel, and asked to figure out the rest of the story from that. How beguiling! And the graphics were beautiful. That lawn-dart spaceship... and the submerged ship... and Channelwood.
Myst is exactly the sort of game I hate because it made me feel stupid! :P It was just too darned hard! I think that's the hardest puzzle game I've ever seen. I only solved one or two things in it. My dad and I played it together, or rather I sat there and watched him. Only a few times I was able to help out. I will agree that it is an excellent game and more should be made like it since I think it was a beneficial game.
Alatar wrote:Anyone here ever played it who can explain the attraction?
What I liked the most was building the dream houses, which of course meant using cheats. I loved surfing the web to find new things to furnish the house with. I've always like decorating (even once considered being an interior designer) so that part definately appealed to me. I also liked the romantic aspect that came with Hot Date. It was fun seeing if I could get a couple to end up liking each other. All in all, I didn't much play the game the way it was meant to be played. Doing it properly was so tedious. :P

I really like simulation(?) games like that. I'm pretty darn sure I'm going to get Civilization IV (just have to make sure my computer will run it), I'd love to have Rollercoaster tycoon, and I remember enjoying Sim City with my dad. I think I like creating stuff. But what I find most appealing about games is how you can feel part of a different world. I especially like games based on movies. It almost makes you feel like you are taking part in it. It's escapism, but people use books and the internet to escape as well. Games are just a different (and no more addictive) way of doing it.
sf wrote:We can see who has the strength to carry that controller over the finish line after ten miles
I do. :) I wouldn't be able to run all of it (I don't run much due to knee problems) but I certainly could do ten miles, no problem. :D
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