Anime

[Hachimitsu]

Oh!!! Well I am sure there is Japanese dub with english Sub out there somewhere.

Do you think it would have been better with more European voices?

I guess I am just used to that sort of thing. (After enduring al lthat anime pushing from my friends) I mean for Bleach, it's set in Japan and all the voices are American accent dubs (but I do watch the sub, with the original Japenese dialogue), and I guess I never realized the incongruency. Also I realize with the voice dub the point is to make it easier for those who may not want to read subtitles (just like when a film is made about French history or something yet all the actors speak English you know? )

I guess you wouldn't be interested in an anime version of Romeo and Juliet eh? (Apparently it's highly anticipated.)

[Crucifer]

It could be fun...

[BrianIsSmilingAtYou]

wonders if Speed Racer and Kimba the White Lion would be considered anime

I have seen some. Some I like and some I don't.
I think Prim is too old though.

Kimba the White Lion was created by Osamu Tezuka, who is considered the father of Manga and Anime.

Asking if Kimba the White Lion is Anime is almost like asking if Mickey Mouse is Disney.

(The real debate is how much of Kimba was stolen for "The Lion King", which has many scenes, plot elements and images lifted straight from Tezuka's work. Disney officially denies this. Many Japanese Manga and Anime creators believe it to be so, and have asked for an acknowledgement. See postscript)

Tezuka's work ranges from the the simple to the very complex. I am currently about 3/4 of the way through his 3000 page manga of the life of Buddha, which is very, very good.

Review of Buddha vol. 1

BrianIs AtYou

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For Kimba vs. Lion King controversy see:

Kimba vs. Lion King

The Wikipedia entry has a good summary of the controversy as well:

Kimba the White Lion Wiki

As noted in the Wikipedia article, in 1994 over 1100 Japanese Manga and Anime artists signed a letter to Disney on this issue:

Letter to Disney

Roy Disney in 1993 in an online chat on Prodigy had this to say about the upcoming Lion King project:

Roy Disney on Prodigy

However, many key Disney animators dispute the connection, despite the many similarities.

The Straight Dope: Did Disney's The Lion King Rip Off Kimba?

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PPS

When I attempted to quote the text of Roy Disney's Prodigy chat I got this message:

Dear Valued Hall of Fire Member - Our provider has installed a "mod_security" to our web server to protect against hacking & sql injection. You have likely received this message because your post contained a word/phrase/sentence which is commonly used for hacking/sql injection attempts. These are often common words or phrases and this has nothing to do with any word filters. Please contact one of the Hall of Fire Thains or Shirriffs so that we can help get your message posted. - The Thains

[edited for spelling]

[Voronwë the Faithful]

For some reason, the word "to" followed by a colon and then a space, is considered a security risk. Here is the text of the Roy Disney Prodigy chat:

TOPIC: ROY DISNEY
TIME: 07/19 8:23 PM

TO:! JILL SAUDER (JKFG91B)
FROM: ROY DISNEY (STAR99B)
SUBJECT: "ROY ON MOMS"

Jill, you asked whether we had any "nice motherly figures"
in Disney's animated future.
Wait until you see next summer's "The Lion King," and
Kimba's mother. She's quite lovely.

Roy Disney

[Primula Baggins]

We're sorry for this hassle. We not only have no control over it, but our hosts won't even give us a list of the "forbidden" words or phrases. So, if you get one of these messages, let us know and we will try to figure out what the "offending" term was.

I want to emphasize that this is nothing to do with any word filter we've set for the Hall of Fire; we have only three filtered words here, C, N, and F.

[Holbytla]

Wow there is a whole Kimba controversy.
Who would have thought?
If Osamu Tezuka is the father of anime, and I know one of the original shows, then that is like being old enough to have seen the original Steamboat Willie.


goes off to cry

Nothing Disney does surprises me though. I mean they killed Banbi's mother.

[Crucifer]

I got Nausicaa of the vally of Wind today, for 7 pounds. Fantastic value. The studio Ghibli collection is wonderful.

[Hachimitsu]

I saw Princess Mononoke (Mononoke - Hime) yesterday, it ended differently then I thought. I don't think it's for little kids. I liked it though.

[Hachimitsu]

I saw My Neighbour Totoro. The movie was so good. It made me cry!!

[Rowanberry]

Yes, My Neighbour Totoro is great.

At the moment, Spirited Away seems to be daughter #2's favourite movie.

[Crucifer]

Yaayyy!!! A new Ghibli is out!

[BrianIsSmilingAtYou]

For those who are interested, major anime distributor Geneon is going out of business. They are one of the major distributors in North America, responsible for translating and marketing many major Anime titles:

Geneon USA to Cancel DVD Sales, Distribution by Friday September 28, 2007

The onetime anime distribution company Geneon Entertainment (USA) Inc. has notified its retail customers that it will cease "the sales of DVDs and all related distribution and marketing operations as of 5 p.m. on Friday, September 28, 2007." The deadline for ordering all Geneon USA products is that time and date, and only orders for "catalog products in inventory or new releases with a street date" of November 6 or earlier will be accepted. Any outstanding retail orders will ship as soon as stock is available. No more returns will be accepted after 5:00 p.m. on November 30, and new orders after September 21 cannot be returned at all. The letter to retailers also says that "payables to Geneon remain unchanged."

The list titles involved is belowi:

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Anime which this company has licensed:
3x3 Eyes (OAV)
3x3 Eyes Seima Densetsu (OAV)
Ah! My Goddess (TV)
Ah! My Goddess: The Movie
Ai Yori Aoshi (TV)
Ai Yori Aoshi ~Enishi~ (TV)
Akira (movie)
Amazing Nurse Nanako (TV)
Appleseed (movie)
Aquarian Age - Sign for Evolution (TV)
Arjuna (TV)
Armitage III (OAV)
Armitage III Polymatrix (movie)
Armitage: Dual-Matrix (movie)
Ayakashi - Samurai Horror Tales (TV)
Azumanga Daioh (TV)
Barefoot Gen (movie)
Barefoot Gen 2 (movie)
Bastard!! (OAV)
Battle Athletes (OAV)
Battle Athletes Victory (TV)
Black Lagoon (TV)
Black Lagoon: The Second Barrage (TV)
Blood: The Last Vampire (movie)
Bottle Fairy (TV)
Burn-Up Scramble (TV)
Cardcaptor Sakura (TV)
Cardcaptor Sakura Movie 2: The Sealed Card
Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie
Catnapped! The Movie
Chibits (special)
Chinese Ghost Story (Chinese movie)
Chobits (TV)
Chobits (OAV)
Cybuster (TV)
Daphne in the Brilliant Blue (TV)
DearS (TV)
Deltora Quest (TV)
Demon Lord Dante (TV)
Doki Doki School Hours (TV)
Dokkoida?! (TV)
Dragon Ball Z Movie 1: The Deadzone
Dragon Ball Z Movie 2: The World's Strongest
Dragon Ball Z Movie 3: The Tree of Might
Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventure (TV)
El Hazard - The Magnificent World (OAV)
El Hazard 2 - The Magnificent World (OAV)
El Hazard: The Alternative World (TV)
El Hazard: The Wanderers (TV)
Elemental Gelade (TV)
Ergo Proxy (TV)
éX-D: Danger Zone (OAV)
eX-Driver the Movie
Excel Saga (TV)
Fafner (TV)
Fate/stay night (TV)
Fighting Spirit (TV)
Final Fantasy: Unlimited (TV)
FLCL (OAV)
Fushigi Yugi Eikoden (OAV)
Fushigi Yuugi (OAV 2)
Fushigi Yuugi (TV)
Fushigi Yuugi OAV
Gad Guard (TV)
Gankutsuou: The Count of Monte Cristo (TV)
Gate Keepers (TV)
Gate Keepers 21 (OAV)
Ghost Talker's Daydream (OAV)
Girls Bravo (TV)
Green Legend Ran (OAV)
Gregory Horror Show (TV)
Guardian of the Sacred Spirit (TV)
Gungrave (TV)
GUNxSWORD (TV)
Haibane Renmei (TV)
Hajime no Ippo - Champion Road (special)
Hakkenden: Legend of the Dog Warriors (OAV)
Hanaukyo Maid Team: La Verite (TV)
Hand Maid May (TV)
Heat Guy J (TV)
Hellsing (OAV)
Hellsing (TV)
His and Her Circumstances (TV)
Human Crossing (TV)
Hyper Doll (OAV)
Ikki Tousen (TV)
Jubei-Chan 2: The Counter Attack of Siberia Yagyu (TV)
Kamichu! (TV)
Kannazuki no Miko (TV)
Karin (TV)
Kishin Corps (OAV)
Koi Kaze (TV)
Kyo Kara Maoh! (TV)
L/R: Licensed by Royalty (TV)
Last Exile (TV)
Last Quarter (live-action movie)
Leave it to Kero! Theatrical Version (movie)
Love Hina (TV)
Lupin III: Part II (TV)
Lupin III: The Secret of Mamo (movie)
Madlax (TV)
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (TV)
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha A's (TV)
Magical Girl Pretty Sammy (OAV)
Magical Girl Pretty Sammy Bonus Theatre (OAV)
Magical Project S (TV)
Mahoromatic - Automatic Maiden (TV)
Mahoromatic: Something More Beautiful (TV)
Mahoromatic: Summer Special
Makai Senki Disgaea (TV)
Mao-chan (TV)
Master Keaton (TV)
Master Keaton (OAV)
Mermaid Forest (TV)
Mini Pato (movie)
Moldiver (OAV)
Nazca (TV)
New Getter Robo (OAV)
NieA_7 (TV)
Noir (TV)
Onmyoji (live-action movie)
Onmyoji II (live-action movie)
Panda! Go, Panda! (movie)
Panda! Go, Panda!: Rainy Day Circus (movie)
Paradise Kiss (TV)
Paranoia Agent (TV)
Patlabor WXIII (movie 3)
Petite Cossette (OAV)
Phantom Quest Corp. (OAV)
Popotan (TV)
Puni Puni Poemy (OAV)
R.O.D -The TV-
Requiem from the Darkness (TV)
Revolutionary Girl Utena (TV)
Rozen Maiden (TV)
Rozen Maiden: Träumend (TV)
Rumiko Takahashi Anthology (TV)
Sailor Moon R Movie: Promise of the Rose
Sailor Moon S (TV)
Sailor Moon S Movie: Hearts in Ice
Sailor Moon SuperS (TV)
Sailor Moon SuperS Movie: Black Dream Hole
Saiyuki Gunlock (TV)
Saiyuki Reload (TV)
Sakura Wars: The Movie
Samurai Champloo (TV)
Serial Experiments Lain (TV)
Shakugan no Shana (TV)
Shakugan no Shana Tokubetsuhen: Koi to Onsen no Kougai Gakushuu! (OAV)
Shakugan no Shanatan (special)
Shakugan no Shanatan Returns (special)
Sherlock Hound (TV)
Shonen Onmyouji (TV)
Sol Bianca: The Legacy (OAV)
Someday's Dreamers (TV)
Space Pirate Captain Herlock The Endless Odyssey (OAV)
Star Ocean EX (TV)
Starship Operators (TV)
Stellvia (TV)
Strawberry Eggs (TV)
Strawberry Marshmallow (TV)
Submarine 707R (OAV)
Sugar: A Little Snow Fairy (TV)
Sugar: A Little Snow Fairy Summer Special
Tales of Phantasia (OAV)
Tenchi in Tokyo (TV)
Tenchi Muyo Movie 1: Tenchi in Love
Tenchi Muyo Movie 2: Daughter of Darkness
Tenchi Muyo Movie 3: Tenchi Forever
Tenchi Muyo! Mihoshi Special
Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki (OAV)
Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki OAV 2
Tenchi Muyo! The Night Before The Carnival (OAV)
Tenchi Universe (TV)
Tenjho Tenge (TV)
Tenjho Tenge: Ultimate Fight (OAV)
Tetsujin 28-go (live-action movie)
Tetsujin 28th (TV)
Texhnolyze (TV)
The Adventures of Mini-Goddess (TV)
The Daichis - Earth Defence Family (TV)
The Dog of Flanders (movie)
The Familiar of Zero (TV)
The Law of Ueki (TV)
The Legend of Black Heaven (TV)
The Melody of Oblivion (TV)
The Red Spectacles (live-action movie)
The SoulTaker (TV)
The Story of Saiunkoku (TV)
This Ugly Yet Beautiful World (TV)
Tokyo Underground (TV)
Trigun (TV)
Tsukihime, Lunar Legend (TV)
Ultra Maniac (TV)
Vandread (TV)
Vandread: The Second Stage (TV)
Viewtiful Joe (TV)
When They Cry - Higurashi (TV)
X (TV)
X OAV
Zipang (TV)
Zoids (TV)
Zoids/ZERO (TV)

Anime with which this company was otherwise involved:
Ah! My Goddess: The Movie : Production, Soundtrack
Ai Yori Aoshi (TV) : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Ai Yori Aoshi ~Enishi~ (TV) : Production, Soundtrack
Air Master (TV) : Distributor
Akira (movie) : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Appleseed (movie) : Production
Armitage III (OAV) : Production
Azumanga Daioh (TV) : Soundtrack
Barefoot Gen 2 (movie) : Production
Beyblade (TV) : Distributor
Burn-Up Scramble (TV) : Production
Cardcaptor Sakura (TV) : Distributor, DVD Production, Subtitled Version
Cardcaptor Sakura: The Movie : Distributor, Subtitled Version
Chibits (special) : Production Cooperation
Chobits (TV) : Soundtrack
Cybuster (TV) : DVD Production
Demon Prince Enma (OAV) : Distributor
Descendants of Darkness (TV) : Soundtrack
Dokkoida?! (TV) : DVD Production
Dragon Ball Z Movie 1: The Deadzone : Production
Dragon Ball Z Movie 2: The World's Strongest : Production
Dragon Ball Z Movie 3: The Tree of Might : Production
Dual! Parallel Trouble Adventures Special : Producer
Ergo Proxy (TV) : Production
Fafner (TV) : Soundtrack
Fatal Fury 2: The New Battle (OAV) : DVD Authoring
Fatal Fury: The Motion Picture : DVD Production
Fate/stay night (TV) : Music Production
FLCL (OAV) : Soundtrack
Freedom (OAV) : Distributor
Fruits Basket (TV) : Soundtrack
Fushigi Yugi Eikoden (OAV) : Production
Fushigi Yuugi OAV : Production
Galaxy Angel Rune (TV) : Distributor
Gunbuster 2 (OAV) : Distributor
Gungrave (TV) : Soundtrack
Gunparade March (TV) : Soundtrack
Haibane Renmei (TV) : Soundtrack
Hanaukyo Maid Team: La Verite (TV) : DVD Production, Production
Hand Maid May (TV) : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Hayate the Combat Butler (TV) : Music Collaboration
Heat Guy J (TV) : Soundtrack
Hellsing (TV) : DVD Packaging Design
Hellsing (OAV) : Production
Hellsing (TV) : Soundtrack
Human Crossing (TV) : DVD Production
Interlude (OAV) : Distributor
Kamichu! (TV) : Distributor
Koi Kaze (TV) : Production
L/R: Licensed by Royalty (TV) : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Last Exile (TV) : Soundtrack
Love Hina Again (OAV) : Soundtrack
Love Hina Spring Special - I wish Your Dream : Soundtrack
Love Hina X'mas Special - Silent Eve : Soundtrack
Lupin III: Part II (TV) : Soundtrack
Magical Girl Pretty Sammy (OAV) : DVD Production
Magical Project S (TV) : DVD Production, Subtitled Version
Magical Shopping Arcade Abenobashi (TV) : Soundtrack
Mahoromatic - Automatic Maiden (TV) : Soundtrack
Mahoromatic: Something More Beautiful (TV) : Soundtrack
Master Keaton (OAV) : DVD Production
Master Keaton (TV) : DVD Production
Memories (movie) : Soundtrack
Mini Pato (movie) : DVD Production
Nazca (TV) : DVD Production
Neon Genesis Evangelion (TV) : Soundtrack
Neon Genesis Evangelion: The End of Evangelion (movie) : Soundtrack
New Getter Robo (OAV) : DVD Production
Paranoia Agent (TV) : Soundtrack
Patlabor WXIII (movie 3) : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Please Save My Earth (OAV) : Production
R.O.D -The TV- : Soundtrack
RahXephon (TV) : Soundtrack
Ramen Fighter Miki (TV) : Production
Ranma ½ OAV : DVD Production
Ranma ½ (TV) : DVD Distribution
Ranma ½: Nihao My Concubine (movie) : DVD Production
Read or Die (OAV) : Soundtrack
Revolutionary Girl Utena (TV) : Soundtrack
Revolutionary Girl Utena: The Movie : Soundtrack
Rumiko Takahashi Anthology (TV) : DVD Production
Sailor Moon R Movie: Promise of the Rose : Production
Sailor Moon S Movie: Hearts in Ice : Production
Sailor Moon SuperS (TV) : DVD Production
Sailor Moon SuperS Movie: Black Dream Hole : Production
Sakura Wars: The Movie : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Samurai Champloo (TV) : Soundtrack
Samurai Deeper Kyo (TV) : Distributor
Serial Experiments Lain (TV) : Production, Soundtrack
Sherlock Hound (TV) : Production
Sister Princess (TV) : Soundtrack
Slam Dunk (TV) : Distributor
Stellvia (TV) : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Strawberry Eggs (TV) : Released by
Strawberry Marshmallow (TV) : Production Collaboration
Sugar: A Little Snow Fairy (TV) : DVD Production
Tales of Phantasia (OAV) : Production
Tenchi in Tokyo (TV) : DVD Production
Tenchi Muyo Movie 2: Daughter of Darkness : Original Soundtrack
Tenchi Muyo! Mihoshi Special : DVD Production
Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki (OAV) : DVD Production, Soundtrack
Tenchi Muyo! Ryo-Ohki OAV 2 : Distributor
Tenchi Muyo! The Night Before The Carnival (OAV) : DVD Production
Tenchi Universe (TV) : Production
Tenjho Tenge (TV) : Production
Tenjho Tenge: The Past Chapter (special) : Production
Tenjho Tenge: Ultimate Fight (OAV) : Production
Tetsujin 28-go (live-action movie) : Production
Texhnolyze (TV) : Soundtrack
The Daichis - Earth Defence Family (TV) : DVD Production
The Melody of Oblivion (TV) : DVD Production
The Wings of Rean (ONA) : Distributor
Tsukihime, Lunar Legend (TV) : DVD Production
Vampire Hunter (OAV) : DVD Production
Vandread: The Second Stage (TV) : Producer
X (TV) : Soundtrack

That's a lot of titles that will no longer be available.

BrianIs AtYou

[Rowanberry]

I saw Tales from Earthsea a couple of weeks ago. I haven't read the books so, I don't know how faithful the film adaptation was to them; but, as a fantasy adventure, it was OK. And, it was definitely very beautifully done. Goro Miyazaki is definitely following his father's footsteps.

[Tyrhael]

Yay, an anime thread! Here's the ones I've seen (in no order):

Gundam Wing - the dubs are much better than the subs, I think. The plot is nice, though Relena has to be the most annoying fictional character I've ever seen on TV. Luckily she's only part backstory; the actual Gundam pilots are much better. The ending was sort of a let down; you'd have to see the movie sequel (Endless Waltz).

D.N. Angel: it's a shoujo-anime, as you can tell with focus on romance (and some boy/boy innuendo, like CPR, and the same two boys being forced to play the male and female roles in a romantic play ), though there's action as well. It's not a 'great' anime, though you could call it 'cute'; it's my guilty pleasure, and I like it. The dubs are the worst I've ever heard for an anime, but the original Jap. voices subbed are really good.

Neon Genesis Evangelion: one of the best animes I've ever seen. True, it has giant mecha, but there's so many psychological, theological and philosophical undertones that make it so much more than the average anime. Plus the action and imagery are awesome (as well as the soundtrack) - I remember being scared as (TOS violation) when I saw the giant Angel (that's what it's called, though it was terrifying) in the first episode. You should watch it subbed, though, as the dubs are awful, but each Japanese seiyuu conveys their character's voice and emotions really well (and not over-the-top).

Death Note: really gripping and suspenseful, it raises a lot of moral questions about what's right and what's wrong. If you don't like the first episode (I didn't), see the second as well before writing it off - I did, and was hooked. I've only seen it subbed; they just started to air it on US TV dubbed, I think.

Fullmetal Alchemist: another good anime, with an awesome plotline. There's literally only one filler episode in all 50-or-so episodes, unlike D.N. Angel, which meanders a little. Death Note and Evangelion don't have filler episodes either. FMA had awesome philosophical undertones, and the revelations in the last few episodes (I won't spoil them) shocked and satisfied me so much I thought I was watching Lost for a moment. But it ends with a major cliffhanger; you have to see the movie sequel (Conqueror of Shamballa) to cope, literally. This is another anime where the English dubs are better than the Jap. subs.

Ones I've been recommended to see:
tengen toppa gurren lagann
code geass
bleach
weiss kreuz
tsubasa (chronicles)?
ergo proxy
blood+
elfen lied
monster
trinity blood

[Crucifer]

Bleach should be top of your list, my good man. Fullmetal alchemist doesn't hold a candle to it.

[Tyrhael]

I thought about Bleach, but I heard it has a lot of filler episodes, and there're plenty of episodes out right now; I'd probably prefer to start on something less time-consuming. I'm used to animes with 20 to 50 episodes, not over 145!

[Crucifer]

There are a few filler episodes... About one in 8 would be my guess, but the twists and turns are fantastic...

[Tyrhael]

Okay, I gave into the hype and started watching Naruto. I didn't like it at first, but it's growing on me. I've heard bad things about the dubs, though, and don't look forward to whichever episode when the subs start being replaced.

[Hachimitsu]

The thing with Bleach fillers is ... Skip them!!! That is what I did/do. The long string of fillers is 64 - 102 or 103. Skip!!!!! I think before that there are only one or 2 fillers so you are good. After a whole like 2 seasons of fillers, they manage to keep it down to 4 or 5 in a row, which they really have to do since they are right on the heels of the manga.

I haven't watched Naruto (nevah!!!!!)

But Tsubasa (Resevoir Chronicles) is related to xxxHolic.

Since I have an anime and manga pimp (since high school) I have managed to read a lot of manga's before watching the anime. Death Note and Bleach I am currently watching. xxxHolic, Cardcaptors, Fruits basket and Bleach (Japanese release), I am currently reading. (My local library is well stocked with manga, unlike my cable subscription when it comes to anime.) Mecha anime is not my thing sorry. Fullmetal Alchemist. I haven't tried that but I just don't "get" it I guess.

About EarthSea I have not seen the anime (although I want to see that and Witchblade). I hope it's nothing like the miniseries on SciFi which the author of Earth Sea hated with a passion!!.

EDIT: I would love to give Shonen Omniyouji a try too.

[Crucifer]

I bought "My Neighbour Totoro" a few weeks ago...



I did cry, but it was with happiness. It's the most beautifullest film I ever did see.