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Voronwë the Faithful wrote: Tue Jun 21, 2022 6:04 pm Separation of church and state? What separation?
Congresswoman Lauren Boebert (Republican of Colorado) approves. Today she said:

"The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our founding fathers intended it. And I'm tired of this 'separation of church and state' junk that's not in the Constitution. It was in a stinkin' letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does."
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Lord, will someone PLEASE give that woman a clue!! Don't they teach kids about the constitution anymore??
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Boebert dropped out of HS and needed multiple tries to attain her GED. She is not what you'd call academically inclined.
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Texas's Attorney General, Ken Paxton, today called for the Supreme Court to overturn Lawrence v. Texas, the 1993 decision that struck down laws banning gay sex.

Clarence Thomas had urged the Court to reconsider that decision in his concurrence last week striking down Roe.
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The really striking thing to me is that, while Paxton's basic point is that he thinks LGBT rights should be decided by the states rather than the federal courts, it was given in response to the question of whether he, as Attorney General, would defend a Texas law that attempted to outlaw "sodomy." Obviously, this is the usual subtext to this sort of states' rights argument—that it's important the issue be decided by the states because they want a different outcome than previous Courts have given—but there's generally more beating around the bush than in this case. It makes sense they feel emboldened, though.

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That point is bad and he should feel bad. You can't have citizens of the same country be married in some parts of it and not others.

But he is not arguing in good faith.

Wait. He's not talking about marriage. He literally wants the government to regulate sex.
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Don't sodomy laws apply to everyone? Are the straight men advocating for this just assuming no one will mind if they get adventuresome with a consenting straight woman?
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River wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:08 pmDon't sodomy laws apply to everyone? Are the straight men advocating for this just assuming no one will mind if they get adventuresome with a consenting straight woman?
Traditionally, they used very broad definitions, though they weren't always enforced uniformly. Some states changed their definitions over time. The law in question in Lawrence v. Texas applied only to "homosexual conduct," which was the official term in Texas for the crime of sodomy after a revision to the criminal code in 1973. That same revision legalized heterosexual anal and oral sex.
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River wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:08 pm Don't sodomy laws apply to everyone? Are the straight men advocating for this just assuming no one will mind if they get adventuresome with a consenting straight woman?
I think it's a given that those advocating for this assume that the laws won't touch them.
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A couple of big cases went down today, one good, one very bad, but the real big news is that Ketanji Brown Jackson was sworn in as the first female African-American justice on the Supreme Court of the United States.
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Will it make a difference?
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Yes. How much remains to be seen, but yes. She will likely be on the court for decades. It will make a difference, even it doesn't seem like it right away.
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In the short term, no. But Alito and Thomas are men in their 70's and therefore at risk of some sort of catastrophic cardiovascular failure.
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River wrote: Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:47 am Boebert dropped out of HS and needed multiple tries to attain her GED. She is not what you'd call academically inclined.
:roll: No surprise there!
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River wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:57 pm In the short term, no.
What other term do we have?
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Frelga wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:56 pm
River wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 5:57 pm In the short term, no.
What other term do we have?
I don't really understand your question. The fact that there are immediate ramifications to things that happen does not mean that what happens over the course of a longer period of time does not also matter. Justice Jackson will have influence over the court for a long time, both in her rulings and in the impact that her presence will have on the other justices (yes, even the most conservative ones). Her achievement is already looked at as shining example by young women of color in this country. The country is and will be better because she is on the court. That doesn't mean that bad things have not and will not happen. Both can be true.
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Regarding the EPA decision...

Dec. 30, 2021. The fire started at 11 am. We'd had almost no precipitation since July and it was a very windy day. 1000 homes were lost, but somehow only two people died. I took this picture while sitting in the evac line out of my neighborhood.
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The one-sentence official synopsis of Justice Kagan's dissent is all you need:

"Today the Court strips the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) of the power Congress gave it to respond to 'the most pressing environmental challenge of our time.'"
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From the article elengil posted:
"To be clear, the court today holds that Indian country within a state's territory is part of a state, not separate from a state," Kavanaugh wrote in a decision that scholars of Native American law said was a major departure from longstanding precedent.
I am not even close to being a subject matter expert here, but this seems ... deeply concerning for the future of tribal sovereignty.
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